Comments on: More of the Back Story, and Why I'm a Little Confused at the Moment http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/ The Blog of Donny Pauling: former porn producer, changed by Grace and Love... Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:50:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: thief http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-231 thief Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:58:47 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-231 Donny, I know exactly what you're talking about when you say 'power of God' fell on Kris. That guy is closely affiliated with the Church in Australia which I attend, DaySpring, and has spoken at quite a few conferences - and I have seen/felt some pretty amazing stuff while he's been around... 'Bettered' only, I think, by Bill Johnson's ministry time at DaySpring.<br/><br/>If our school of ministry at D/S is based on theirs (which I think it might well be, as there were/are negotiations going on between D/S and Bethel for a Non-Denom Church Government as far as I am aware) then I can tell you one thing - it will make you a Jesus Freak... You should probably see a good impact, I was checking out the MySpace pages of some of the Aussie students this morning and they all seem to 'look' like Christians. Some of them still have questionable attitudes in person (I can think of one girl who still seems like a battleaxe after it all), but I think that that is more themselves than Ps. Davo's influence.<br/><br/>I am thinking of one fella named Jonno who is a mad bloke, so yeah I don't know, I think that it might be okay.<br/><br/>One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if you take up the student role, you'll probably see some mad stuff happen as God's power touches people's lives.<br/><br/>Who knows, maybe one day you'll come out with Kris on a ministry team to DaySpring and I could meet you. Heck, I'd bring my friends along.<br/><br/>Still, yeah, you have a dilemma, don't you mate?<br/><br/>God'll let you know, for surely. Donny, I know exactly what you’re talking about when you say ‘power of God’ fell on Kris. That guy is closely affiliated with the Church in Australia which I attend, DaySpring, and has spoken at quite a few conferences – and I have seen/felt some pretty amazing stuff while he’s been around… ‘Bettered’ only, I think, by Bill Johnson’s ministry time at DaySpring.

If our school of ministry at D/S is based on theirs (which I think it might well be, as there were/are negotiations going on between D/S and Bethel for a Non-Denom Church Government as far as I am aware) then I can tell you one thing – it will make you a Jesus Freak… You should probably see a good impact, I was checking out the MySpace pages of some of the Aussie students this morning and they all seem to ‘look’ like Christians. Some of them still have questionable attitudes in person (I can think of one girl who still seems like a battleaxe after it all), but I think that that is more themselves than Ps. Davo’s influence.

I am thinking of one fella named Jonno who is a mad bloke, so yeah I don’t know, I think that it might be okay.

One thing I’m pretty sure of is that if you take up the student role, you’ll probably see some mad stuff happen as God’s power touches people’s lives.

Who knows, maybe one day you’ll come out with Kris on a ministry team to DaySpring and I could meet you. Heck, I’d bring my friends along.

Still, yeah, you have a dilemma, don’t you mate?

God’ll let you know, for surely.

]]> By: GODrums http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-230 GODrums Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:28 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-230 Donny,<br/><br/>Regardless of who is telling you what you need to do, it is God who will show you where you need to be. I, for one, am proud of you for making it this far. A lot of us who have been gripped in porn/sex sin can't make it a week. Don't quit working or lose sight of that.........God Bless you, Donny and you are on my list.<br/><br/>West Donny,

Regardless of who is telling you what you need to do, it is God who will show you where you need to be. I, for one, am proud of you for making it this far. A lot of us who have been gripped in porn/sex sin can’t make it a week. Don’t quit working or lose sight of that………God Bless you, Donny and you are on my list.

West

]]> By: tsaphah http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-229 tsaphah Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:09:10 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-229 Hey Donny!<br/><br/>I'm completely blown away by your comments about Bethel and Kris V! I'm actually in Redding right now after going to there "Opening Heaven" conference this past week. I also have a good friend who is a first year student in the school of ministry and have seen tons of fruit come from this ministry in my youth group back home.<br/><br/>Yes - pray about it, but I will say from personal experience that Bethel is an awsome church moving in the power of God. To hear testimonies of people not only being saved, and broken out of bondage of sin; but also healed in the body. Bethel is one of the few places I've seen Christianity that truly matches the Jesus I read about in the Bible.<br/><br/>I'm sure you will continue to do so. No matter where the Lord eventually leads you I have total confidence that any time spent at Bethel's school will not be wasted.<br/><br/>You're in my prayers. Thanks for the honestly and transparency found in your words on this blog! Hey Donny!

I’m completely blown away by your comments about Bethel and Kris V! I’m actually in Redding right now after going to there “Opening Heaven” conference this past week. I also have a good friend who is a first year student in the school of ministry and have seen tons of fruit come from this ministry in my youth group back home.

Yes – pray about it, but I will say from personal experience that Bethel is an awsome church moving in the power of God. To hear testimonies of people not only being saved, and broken out of bondage of sin; but also healed in the body. Bethel is one of the few places I’ve seen Christianity that truly matches the Jesus I read about in the Bible.

I’m sure you will continue to do so. No matter where the Lord eventually leads you I have total confidence that any time spent at Bethel’s school will not be wasted.

You’re in my prayers. Thanks for the honestly and transparency found in your words on this blog!

]]> By: Tony http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Tony Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:50:25 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-228 Hey Donny... I don't know what's best for you, I don't know whether Kris V is a good guy or a bad guy... I do know that the Word says that if you seek Him with all your heart, then you will find Him.<br/><br/>Keep reading His Word and stay in prayer. Things will be clear to you soon enough. Hey Donny… I don’t know what’s best for you, I don’t know whether Kris V is a good guy or a bad guy… I do know that the Word says that if you seek Him with all your heart, then you will find Him.

Keep reading His Word and stay in prayer. Things will be clear to you soon enough.

]]> By: Nancy Molina http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-227 Nancy Molina Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:03:58 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-227 DONNY! I am SO SO SO happy to read this!!!!!! Tracy sent me the link. I am speechless at the moment. But I feel like jumping up and down.<br/>Yeah I know what you mean by getting "hit" by God. I know what you mean about the electricity. I also know how it feels to have those doubts that it's all true. I also want to tell you that you came back to God on my brother Dan's birthday!<br/>Don't know what else to say but am sending you a huge hug!<br/> Love, "Aunt" Nancy DONNY! I am SO SO SO happy to read this!!!!!! Tracy sent me the link. I am speechless at the moment. But I feel like jumping up and down.
Yeah I know what you mean by getting “hit” by God. I know what you mean about the electricity. I also know how it feels to have those doubts that it’s all true. I also want to tell you that you came back to God on my brother Dan’s birthday!
Don’t know what else to say but am sending you a huge hug!
Love, “Aunt” Nancy

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-226 Anonymous Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:13:38 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-226 I read the controversy over K's church with a bit of bemusement. I'm not even bothering going to their web site as I want to stay out of it.<br/>Let me say this much: after meeting God as a child I lived a life of rebellion as well. I returned to God after coming to the end of myself and ending up in AA. That's right, I met god in AA and met God as the result of this process. Another friend of mine met God by converting from evangelical worship to Orthodoxy. I checked it out. It works for me no more than AA would for him--yet both of us are growing strong in the same Lord JC. <br/>What I'm trying to say is: God is in charge and you will meet Him wherever you seek Him. If K is a good reason to stay in town and receive discipling--fantastic! If some of the concerns about his church in time become you rconcerns as well--time to move on. But there's no way to figure out the second step before taking the first.<br/>Follow your heart as you keep praying for God ot teach that rebellious little sucker. He will be with you whether you stay or go. Just paut Him first and receive the help, discipling, teaching, encouraging and building up that He sends your way. All the best to you! He'll never leave you! I read the controversy over K’s church with a bit of bemusement. I’m not even bothering going to their web site as I want to stay out of it.
Let me say this much: after meeting God as a child I lived a life of rebellion as well. I returned to God after coming to the end of myself and ending up in AA. That’s right, I met god in AA and met God as the result of this process. Another friend of mine met God by converting from evangelical worship to Orthodoxy. I checked it out. It works for me no more than AA would for him–yet both of us are growing strong in the same Lord JC.
What I’m trying to say is: God is in charge and you will meet Him wherever you seek Him. If K is a good reason to stay in town and receive discipling–fantastic! If some of the concerns about his church in time become you rconcerns as well–time to move on. But there’s no way to figure out the second step before taking the first.
Follow your heart as you keep praying for God ot teach that rebellious little sucker. He will be with you whether you stay or go. Just paut Him first and receive the help, discipling, teaching, encouraging and building up that He sends your way. All the best to you! He’ll never leave you!

]]> By: veritas http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-225 veritas Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:35:05 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-225 well donny i wrote a hole bunch of stuff and right as i was going to post it the webpage went blank,then is wouldnt go thru,then my aol reset,so i guess what ever i was going to tell you was importent cause this only happends when i am about to do some good,so i will rewrite this again,well donny gods wisdom says to me that going to bible school is wise thing to do so you can learn his word , and there are bible schools everywhare,like theres one down by me called biola college,and getting a mentor is a good thing,just pray and ask god to send you someone who is willing and godly, cause i have found when i needed one alot of people didnt want to cause they were busy,so i went and found someone who had the time and was willing and godly,and i found a church i am getting rooted in cause thats super importent,well i pray god speak to you when you are praying and reading his word cause thats how he will talk to you and i will be keeping you in my prayers bro,<br/><br/>blessings - veritas :) well donny i wrote a hole bunch of stuff and right as i was going to post it the webpage went blank,then is wouldnt go thru,then my aol reset,so i guess what ever i was going to tell you was importent cause this only happends when i am about to do some good,so i will rewrite this again,well donny gods wisdom says to me that going to bible school is wise thing to do so you can learn his word , and there are bible schools everywhare,like theres one down by me called biola college,and getting a mentor is a good thing,just pray and ask god to send you someone who is willing and godly, cause i have found when i needed one alot of people didnt want to cause they were busy,so i went and found someone who had the time and was willing and godly,and i found a church i am getting rooted in cause thats super importent,well i pray god speak to you when you are praying and reading his word cause thats how he will talk to you and i will be keeping you in my prayers bro,

blessings – veritas :)

]]> By: Dean http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-224 Dean Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:15:19 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-224 I'm going to agree with Jeff here. Looking at that website - I see danger. What Jeff calls "Health and Wealth", I call the Gospel of Selfishness. It's this teaching that says that God is really all about me. God wants to bestow on me whatever my hearts desire is - as long as I put all the right quarters in the vending machine. As soon as stuff happens in your life that does not lead to "health" or "wealth" then you must be guilty of not putting your quarters into God's machine properly. <br/><br/>I'm not saying that these churches don't do good things or that they don't lead people to Jesus. But I would say that they don't teach what Jesus taught.<br/><br/>I went onto Kris' website and took the Prince/Pauper Test and was rather disgusted. Jesus always identified with the Pauper over the Prince. You can't get around that in Scripture and that rag-tag group of disciples he had were hardly a group of Princes. I’m going to agree with Jeff here. Looking at that website – I see danger. What Jeff calls “Health and Wealth”, I call the Gospel of Selfishness. It’s this teaching that says that God is really all about me. God wants to bestow on me whatever my hearts desire is – as long as I put all the right quarters in the vending machine. As soon as stuff happens in your life that does not lead to “health” or “wealth” then you must be guilty of not putting your quarters into God’s machine properly.

I’m not saying that these churches don’t do good things or that they don’t lead people to Jesus. But I would say that they don’t teach what Jesus taught.

I went onto Kris’ website and took the Prince/Pauper Test and was rather disgusted. Jesus always identified with the Pauper over the Prince. You can’t get around that in Scripture and that rag-tag group of disciples he had were hardly a group of Princes.

]]> By: Donny http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-223 Donny Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:29:37 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-223 Jeff,<br/><br/>Thank you very much for your response. It is full of great advice. <br/><br/>And thanks for your support as well. I really appreciate it.<br/><br/>- Donny - Jeff,

Thank you very much for your response. It is full of great advice.

And thanks for your support as well. I really appreciate it.

- Donny -

]]> By: Jeff http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Jeff Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:19:41 +0000 http://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2006/10/19/more-of-the-back-story-and-why-im-a-little-confused-at-the-moment/#comment-222 OK, you know I've been reading and praying and, honestly, I think we're cut a lot from the same cloth. You've also asked to be challenged. Both of these reasons make me feel OK with talking freely with you, even if it's in a public forum.<br/> I just checked Kris' website a little...how is his ministry different from the others that show the facade and are phony? I have to tell you, any time words like "royalty" and "acting like a prince" come, I see major red flags.<br/> Here's the reason: Jesus was a carpenter when he came here. He could've come from any family and he came to a pretty poor family and lived the life of a poor man. Of course he knew who he was, but to show who God was, he lived a life of little worldly esteem. He relied on God giving him his daily bread, not on giving him his daily bread...plus a little more to put into his retirement fund. So, I see the example that Jesus laid down, then I hear what is basically referred to as the "health and wealth" theology...and there's a disparity. Kris' website smells similar to the latter so I have to ask about it.<br/> There are a lot of places God can use you and I think he'll make himself clear to you. Reggie White told the story often that when he was figuring out where to go after he left the Eagles. He had the choice between the 49ers and the Packers. He was convinced that he was supposed to go to the 49ers, but some things came up that made him question it. So, he prayed for two days about what God would have him do. He actually locked himself in his room so he could talk and listen to God. God did answer him in a way he wasn't expecting. He signed with the Packers a couple days later.<br/> Yeah, I question their ministry's authenticity, but regardless of that, I know that God will let you know where to go and what to do. If it's to stay there, it'll become evident. If it's to go to San Diego, he's got a place for you that will equip you just as much, maybe more, than any ministry would be able to where you're already at. And he knows what you need in order to make that happen, in your day-to-day and everlasting needs.<br/> So, I'd suggest keep praying, don't compromise and God will answer. If he doesn't right away, don't jump the gun. He will. OK, you know I’ve been reading and praying and, honestly, I think we’re cut a lot from the same cloth. You’ve also asked to be challenged. Both of these reasons make me feel OK with talking freely with you, even if it’s in a public forum.
I just checked Kris’ website a little…how is his ministry different from the others that show the facade and are phony? I have to tell you, any time words like “royalty” and “acting like a prince” come, I see major red flags.
Here’s the reason: Jesus was a carpenter when he came here. He could’ve come from any family and he came to a pretty poor family and lived the life of a poor man. Of course he knew who he was, but to show who God was, he lived a life of little worldly esteem. He relied on God giving him his daily bread, not on giving him his daily bread…plus a little more to put into his retirement fund. So, I see the example that Jesus laid down, then I hear what is basically referred to as the “health and wealth” theology…and there’s a disparity. Kris’ website smells similar to the latter so I have to ask about it.
There are a lot of places God can use you and I think he’ll make himself clear to you. Reggie White told the story often that when he was figuring out where to go after he left the Eagles. He had the choice between the 49ers and the Packers. He was convinced that he was supposed to go to the 49ers, but some things came up that made him question it. So, he prayed for two days about what God would have him do. He actually locked himself in his room so he could talk and listen to God. God did answer him in a way he wasn’t expecting. He signed with the Packers a couple days later.
Yeah, I question their ministry’s authenticity, but regardless of that, I know that God will let you know where to go and what to do. If it’s to stay there, it’ll become evident. If it’s to go to San Diego, he’s got a place for you that will equip you just as much, maybe more, than any ministry would be able to where you’re already at. And he knows what you need in order to make that happen, in your day-to-day and everlasting needs.
So, I’d suggest keep praying, don’t compromise and God will answer. If he doesn’t right away, don’t jump the gun. He will.

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