Allah Vs God

When I posted Ali, The Mulim, a sentence in my post began a bit of discussion in the comments area. I feel that discussion merits it’s own article, so I’m writing this one to clarify what that sentence means.

Here is what I wrote:

Muslim’s serve the God of Abraham , which happens to be the same God those of Christian faith serve as well, even though Muslim’s call him “Allah”.

What’s your thoughts when you read that? Does it make you angry? Does it move you to “correct” me?

The simple fact is that my statement is very much true when taken for what I actually said, rather than reading more into it than I meant. The sentence immediately preceeded one that stated:

During a conversation about the departure of Ali’s wife of many many years, it was not the time to discuss theological differences.

And that, my friends, is also exactly what I meant. I was acknowledging that there are definite differences in what Christians vs Muslims believe about God (and many other things). In no way was I trying to make any assertions as to the “salvation status” of any groups of people. I was merely stating that our Father and their Father are the same Father. There may be differences in perspective on His attributes, but both Christian and Muslim faith begin with the God of Abraham. Keep reading and I’ll further clarify that statement with an example from my own life. But first…

In comment # 22, Jeff posts the following:

I don’t dispute that both faiths start at the God of Abraham, but as you’ve even said, the attributes given to that God are different for each faith. So let me name off three differences in attributes:

-Followers of Christ say that God has a son who became man (Jesus), where followers of Islam say that Jesus was a prophet but NOT the only begotten son of God.
-Followers of Islam say that Muhammed is Allah’s prophet, where followers of Christ say that the law and prophets that had been passed down in the Hebrew faith are God’s prophets.
-Followers of Christ say that God’s blessed people followed the family line of Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17), where followers of Islam say that God’s blessing followed the family line of Ishmael.

These three statements point out three distinctly different historical attributes given to either God or Allah. They also point to attributes that are 100% at odds with each other. But either side says, “These are attributes of my God, the same God that Abraham believed in.” So even though I agree that each have the same foundation, the foundation alone cannot does not mean that what is built upon it is the same.

— > Yes! Score! Touchdown! Great way to word it, Jeff! <—

Do our differences in beliefs about those issues make one group better than the other? Not at all. Does it mean one group has something confused? Let me answer with that promised example, which I also posted as comment # 24 (in response to the quote I posted from Jeff above).

Here’s what I said:

We’re both speaking the same language now.

This whole thing started because of a sentence I used in my post in which I stated “The Muslims serve the God of Abraham…”

That’s all I meant by that. The sentence after that statement was this one:

“During a conversation about the departure of Ali’s wife of many many years, it was not the time to discuss theological differences.”

The rest of this resulted from comments on that first sentence, and has been a slight bit frustrating because I am of the opinion that so much bickering in the world can be avoided if all of us, Muslim and Christian, remember to just communicate like we would if we were brothers (Christian and Muslim).

Let me elaborate:

Just a few months ago my brother and I were sitting around discussing our childhood. I was completely blown away at some of his perspectives of our parents during our younger years. He seriously believed some of the things that were coming out of his mouth, yet I don’t remember any of the things he claimed happened. It was like he was talking about different people than the parents I knew. I didn’t bother correcting him, because it was evident he was convinced these memories were true.

As I’ve mentioned before, I hated Christians, but I never hated my parents. The negatives I associate with Christianity were the result of actions of people from my parents’ churches. My brother, however, was bitter toward Mom and Dad for many things he attributed to them. I remember it being OTHER people, he remembers it being THEM.

One of us is completely wrong, and if you ask me, it’s HIM. He’d say the same thing about ME, however.

In the case of the Muslims, looking at it from a logical perspective I cannot blame them for the way they feel about God. I have no doubts Ishmael felt like an unwanted outcast when Abraham’s favor followed his younger, “legitimate” siblings. He must have been bitter, don’t you think? Things must have snowballed to the place where all his memories of God were skewed by the hatred and bitterness. To cope with it, who can blame him for beginning to believe that God had actually passed on the “first born” favor to HIM, rather than those hated brothers? He passed his opinions on to his children, who passed it on to their children who… you get the picture.

So now we have a group of people who know no better.

So many Christians fail to realize we have the same “parents”, but like the case with Daniel and I, one of us has our perspectives wrong. At some point I’ll tell my brother about the loving parents I remember, and tell him where the negative feelings I had were rooted. Perhaps he’ll begin remembering things the same way I do, and get rid of some of his bitterness toward Mom and Dad.

Likewise, it would be so much easier to speak with Muslims from the perspective of realization that we both worship the same God, and that we’d like to give them our perspective of His grace and plan. It won’t be enough for most of them, no doubt, but it would sure make it easier if all they have to accept is a “perspective shift”, rather than the acceptance of an entirely different Creator.

Know what I mean?

Does that make a bit more sense? I’m sure hoping so.

In my opinion, Muslims definitely need a “perspective shift” about God. I’d love for all of them to realize that God wants a relationship with ALL of his children, and that he’s made it SO EASY to have that relationship. He sent Jesus to die for all of our sins, and simply accepting that sacrifice, that gift, allows an amazing relationship to begin between them and their Creator.

Unfortunately, discussions like that rarely happen, because humans seem to prefer feeling superior to others, and often use their beliefs on God to somehow back up those feelings. I don’t get it. God loves all of us. We’re all his kids. He doesn’t want us fighting and arguing. He wants us loving each other, and having a great relationship with Him. Some of us have screwed up “memories” of Him, and those memories will never be changed with a spirit of hatred and division.

And when our brothers don’t accept what we have to say or what we believe, let’s never resort to killing them over it, whaddaya say? World history has more than enough bloodshed (be it literal or otherwise) in the name of God, don’t you think?

That’s just my 2 cents…

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  • Abbey

    One more thing….please be sure you understand exactly what a Pharisee is before you use the term to label others. Pharisees were the religious leaders of Jesus time who didn’t believe He was who He claimed to be, or that He could do what He claimed He could do.

    So a Pharisee today would be anyone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is the true Son of GOd and that He is the ONE Way to Heaven.

  • Abbey

    One more thing….please be sure you understand exactly what a Pharisee is before you use the term to label others. Pharisees were the religious leaders of Jesus time who didn’t believe He was who He claimed to be, or that He could do what He claimed He could do.

    So a Pharisee today would be anyone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is the true Son of GOd and that He is the ONE Way to Heaven.

  • http://www.donnysramblings.com/ Donny Pauling

    Abbey,

    I have blocked your emails on MySpace. Please don’t make me start blocking your comments here. We’ve discussed many things before. As I pointed out to you in the past, you need to stop reading into what you THINK I’m saying. Can you point out where I gave any indication on the salvation status of any group of people? No. I did not. Instead of emailing people all the time complaining about what YOU THINK they believe, focus on yourself. Perhaps start reading more, Abbey. Pick up some commentaries. Listen to some audio books. Subscribe to some podcasts.

    Just stop bugging me with your constant need to nitpick. You have a habit of doing this to me and to XXXChurch and to anyone who will listen. Start being FREE Abbie. As I said, I blocked you on MySpace and will not hesitate to do so here.

  • http://www.donnysramblings.com Donny Pauling

    Abbey,

    I have blocked your emails on MySpace. Please don’t make me start blocking your comments here. We’ve discussed many things before. As I pointed out to you in the past, you need to stop reading into what you THINK I’m saying. Can you point out where I gave any indication on the salvation status of any group of people? No. I did not. Instead of emailing people all the time complaining about what YOU THINK they believe, focus on yourself. Perhaps start reading more, Abbey. Pick up some commentaries. Listen to some audio books. Subscribe to some podcasts.

    Just stop bugging me with your constant need to nitpick. You have a habit of doing this to me and to XXXChurch and to anyone who will listen. Start being FREE Abbie. As I said, I blocked you on MySpace and will not hesitate to do so here.

  • JB

    Hmm. Seeing True Believers of any faith gives me a strange little glow and intrested me enough to post here, thats pretty rare for me.

    I am a Catholic Christian by birth and upbringing, however I do not practice – I have little faith in priests or those who preach too loudly, being cynical in general does that.

    I have some experiance with people being ‘born-again’ as well as non-, slightly and moderatly religious people. I’ve gladly avoided those I consider severely religious or zealot-like. A friend of mine a few years ago, badly depressed, found in religion a way to escape depression and enjoy life, however he also found a bigot’d and racist attitude that opened my own eyes to the reality of things, particularly newspapers, websites and any books.

    You should always bear in mind that the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, they are all historic, ancient books. The Bible has changed with time, the Old Testament is full of blood, fire and faith. The New Testament is – to me at least – sweetened for the modern audience, attracting converts by the ‘we’re so nice’ approach. I don’t doubt that any holy book has changed slightly over time, had words added, removed, or their meanings ever so subtly changed. Or wrongly taught, if you are taught only the Old Testament, or the ‘Verses of the Sword’, your in a whole lot of trouble in this modern world and liable to die quite early for what you then believe to be the absolute truth.

    I find the Jewish faith and the Islamic faiths quite intresting (often as bloody as Christianity) and read bits and pieces when I like, both in non-fictional and semi-fictional works, as well as translations here and there. It is probably impossible to understand each faith without dedicating a lifetime or more to each. In general I’ve found faith can be a good thing, like all good things though, no moderation lets it become destructive.

    In short: I have no faith or devotion to any kind of Supreme God or Allah or anything else, although I do suspect occasionally there is a god or overseer of some variety, often mainly that they have a sense of humor and enjoy watching the world.

    More likely about the Bible, Torah, Koran, of-choice book in my view? God is fictional, created by leaders of men (most who probably did honestly believe) to get men to lead to accomplish great and, at least in their opinion, good things. Generally local unification in the early years of humanity, by force typically. There are exceptions, those who did not use force seem to have remained small and fairly local faiths with an ancient history and much respect within and without their own worshippers. For example, if you found out someone you met was a Buddhist – even knowing only the most meagre about their faith, you probably have an instinctive respect for that faith and thus a smaller fraction assigns itself to the person.

    I do not much care which religion you follow, I may be intrested if you choose to tell me, which God you support. The most apt phrase to me “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

    You don’t need Faith, to live faithfully. (Readers may recognise T. Pratchett at work there!)

    You don’t need to Believe in God, to believe in the people around you.

    I think sometimes, people get so fixated on worshipping that they forget that they must perform their own actions and forge their own path, wether their God granted it to them or not they have not and will not force or dictate anything at all, thought the person may force themselves citing belief!

    For the record, I am probably a light-to-moderate sinner in any three god’s eyes, given the way we live in the UK. I consider myself good natured, very neutral to most ideas and well brought-up, if a little lazy. If I die and should see God, Allah, Satan or the Antichrist in some kind of Judgement, Heaven or Hell as applies to me, I will be fairly surprised but whatever way, I’ll still be grinning because I will know the answer!

    I probably won’t ever worship a God, I will live my own way each day and find out the end result when I see the big ‘Game Over’ screen (sorry, I’m an avid gamer, gaming practically IS my religion*bait bait* :) ). Everyone dies and finds out in due time, worrying about it on the way there simply takes away true freedom and true choice.

    Only your choices, actions and the results of both really matter. Religion, Heaven or Hell, God or not, may help you influence your choice but it comes with so much extra baggage and concern.

    Enjoy life, because sooner than you expect the world will go dark and you’ll get your answer, regardless, if you even never asked the question.

    Hmm…I rambled a bit. I’ll save this site, if any interesting comments come my way, I’ll reorganise my thoughts to be a bit more legible.

  • JB

    Hmm. Seeing True Believers of any faith gives me a strange little glow and intrested me enough to post here, thats pretty rare for me.

    I am a Catholic Christian by birth and upbringing, however I do not practice – I have little faith in priests or those who preach too loudly, being cynical in general does that.

    I have some experiance with people being ‘born-again’ as well as non-, slightly and moderatly religious people. I’ve gladly avoided those I consider severely religious or zealot-like. A friend of mine a few years ago, badly depressed, found in religion a way to escape depression and enjoy life, however he also found a bigot’d and racist attitude that opened my own eyes to the reality of things, particularly newspapers, websites and any books.

    You should always bear in mind that the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, they are all historic, ancient books. The Bible has changed with time, the Old Testament is full of blood, fire and faith. The New Testament is – to me at least – sweetened for the modern audience, attracting converts by the ‘we’re so nice’ approach. I don’t doubt that any holy book has changed slightly over time, had words added, removed, or their meanings ever so subtly changed. Or wrongly taught, if you are taught only the Old Testament, or the ‘Verses of the Sword’, your in a whole lot of trouble in this modern world and liable to die quite early for what you then believe to be the absolute truth.

    I find the Jewish faith and the Islamic faiths quite intresting (often as bloody as Christianity) and read bits and pieces when I like, both in non-fictional and semi-fictional works, as well as translations here and there. It is probably impossible to understand each faith without dedicating a lifetime or more to each. In general I’ve found faith can be a good thing, like all good things though, no moderation lets it become destructive.

    In short: I have no faith or devotion to any kind of Supreme God or Allah or anything else, although I do suspect occasionally there is a god or overseer of some variety, often mainly that they have a sense of humor and enjoy watching the world.

    More likely about the Bible, Torah, Koran, of-choice book in my view? God is fictional, created by leaders of men (most who probably did honestly believe) to get men to lead to accomplish great and, at least in their opinion, good things. Generally local unification in the early years of humanity, by force typically. There are exceptions, those who did not use force seem to have remained small and fairly local faiths with an ancient history and much respect within and without their own worshippers. For example, if you found out someone you met was a Buddhist – even knowing only the most meagre about their faith, you probably have an instinctive respect for that faith and thus a smaller fraction assigns itself to the person.

    I do not much care which religion you follow, I may be intrested if you choose to tell me, which God you support. The most apt phrase to me “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

    You don’t need Faith, to live faithfully. (Readers may recognise T. Pratchett at work there!)

    You don’t need to Believe in God, to believe in the people around you.

    I think sometimes, people get so fixated on worshipping that they forget that they must perform their own actions and forge their own path, wether their God granted it to them or not they have not and will not force or dictate anything at all, thought the person may force themselves citing belief!

    For the record, I am probably a light-to-moderate sinner in any three god’s eyes, given the way we live in the UK. I consider myself good natured, very neutral to most ideas and well brought-up, if a little lazy. If I die and should see God, Allah, Satan or the Antichrist in some kind of Judgement, Heaven or Hell as applies to me, I will be fairly surprised but whatever way, I’ll still be grinning because I will know the answer!

    I probably won’t ever worship a God, I will live my own way each day and find out the end result when I see the big ‘Game Over’ screen (sorry, I’m an avid gamer, gaming practically IS my religion*bait bait* :) ). Everyone dies and finds out in due time, worrying about it on the way there simply takes away true freedom and true choice.

    Only your choices, actions and the results of both really matter. Religion, Heaven or Hell, God or not, may help you influence your choice but it comes with so much extra baggage and concern.

    Enjoy life, because sooner than you expect the world will go dark and you’ll get your answer, regardless, if you even never asked the question.

    Hmm…I rambled a bit. I’ll save this site, if any interesting comments come my way, I’ll reorganise my thoughts to be a bit more legible.