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	<title>Comments on: Conversations with Ted Haggard &#8211; A Prelude</title>
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		<title>By: tom Kaye</title>
		<link>http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2009/05/12/conversations-with-ted-haggard-a-prelude/comment-page-1/#comment-3735</link>
		<dc:creator>tom Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that sexual sin is so hard for us to deal with, repent of, forgive for?

Those are not rhetorical questions.

I believe it&#039;s because our sex drive (men&#039;s) is truly the most powerful drive in our being and one we have the least control over.  Our fallen sex drive is like a loaded pistol given to a boy at puberty.  It&#039;s &quot;operation&quot; is so incredibly sensitive, we can mistakenly attach sexual energy and power to absolutely anything just by seeing it &#039;paired&#039; with a sexual stimulus.  Think of all the weird fetishes men can have.

Think Pavlov&#039;s dogs.  The experimenter rang a bell then dropped a pellet.  After a while, if the experimenter just rang the bell the dog drooled even if a pellet wasn&#039;t dropped.   Salivating  became a conditioned response at the sound of the bell.

How many bells in your life triggers a sexual response in you?

In a survey done by a homosexual magazine, 45% of respondents said they&#039;d been molested by an older man or boy when they were young.  The boys&#039; were exposed to the stimulus of a man touching them, a trigger.  Their body responded by releasing lust hormones and - wham! - They now have a reason to believe they are homosexual.  If they fight it, valiantly, they may win and never again yield to that trigger.  But if they start giving in, they&#039;ll start thinking they &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; homosexual, and not just &#039;conditioned&#039; to a homosexual trigger.

I feel for Ted Haggard but doubt he should ever return to the ministry.  Not because God doesn&#039;t forgive or restore, but because his fall was so public and so detrimental.

But then, Jim Bakker seems to be serving God quietly these days in. . .is it Palmdale, California?  And not seeking the limelight, which I think is most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that sexual sin is so hard for us to deal with, repent of, forgive for?</p>
<p>Those are not rhetorical questions.</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s because our sex drive (men&#8217;s) is truly the most powerful drive in our being and one we have the least control over.  Our fallen sex drive is like a loaded pistol given to a boy at puberty.  It&#8217;s &#8220;operation&#8221; is so incredibly sensitive, we can mistakenly attach sexual energy and power to absolutely anything just by seeing it &#8216;paired&#8217; with a sexual stimulus.  Think of all the weird fetishes men can have.</p>
<p>Think Pavlov&#8217;s dogs.  The experimenter rang a bell then dropped a pellet.  After a while, if the experimenter just rang the bell the dog drooled even if a pellet wasn&#8217;t dropped.   Salivating  became a conditioned response at the sound of the bell.</p>
<p>How many bells in your life triggers a sexual response in you?</p>
<p>In a survey done by a homosexual magazine, 45% of respondents said they&#8217;d been molested by an older man or boy when they were young.  The boys&#8217; were exposed to the stimulus of a man touching them, a trigger.  Their body responded by releasing lust hormones and &#8211; wham! &#8211; They now have a reason to believe they are homosexual.  If they fight it, valiantly, they may win and never again yield to that trigger.  But if they start giving in, they&#8217;ll start thinking they <b>are</b> homosexual, and not just &#8216;conditioned&#8217; to a homosexual trigger.</p>
<p>I feel for Ted Haggard but doubt he should ever return to the ministry.  Not because God doesn&#8217;t forgive or restore, but because his fall was so public and so detrimental.</p>
<p>But then, Jim Bakker seems to be serving God quietly these days in. . .is it Palmdale, California?  And not seeking the limelight, which I think is most important.</p>
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		<title>By: tom Kaye</title>
		<link>http://www.donnypauling.com/blog/2009/05/12/conversations-with-ted-haggard-a-prelude/comment-page-1/#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>tom Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that sexual sin is so hard for us to deal with, repent of, forgive for?

Those are not rhetorical questions.

I believe it&#039;s because our sex drive (men&#039;s) is truly the most powerful drive in our being and one we have the least control over.  Our fallen sex drive is like a loaded pistol given to a boy at puberty.  It&#039;s &quot;operation&quot; is so incredibly sensitive, we can mistakenly attach sexual energy and power to absolutely anything just by seeing it &#039;paired&#039; with a sexual stimulus.  Think of all the weird fetishes men can have.

Think Pavlov&#039;s dogs.  The experimenter rang a bell then dropped a pellet.  After a while, if the experimenter just rang the bell the dog drooled even if a pellet wasn&#039;t dropped.   Salivating  became a conditioned response at the sound of the bell.

How many bells in your life triggers a sexual response in you?

In a survey done by a homosexual magazine, 45% of respondents said they&#039;d been molested by an older man or boy when they were young.  The boys&#039; were exposed to the stimulus of a man touching them, a trigger.  Their body responded by releasing lust hormones and - wham! - They now have a reason to believe they are homosexual.  If they fight it, valiantly, they may win and never again yield to that trigger.  But if they start giving in, they&#039;ll start thinking they &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; homosexual, and not just &#039;conditioned&#039; to a homosexual trigger.

I feel for Ted Haggard but doubt he should ever return to the ministry.  Not because God doesn&#039;t forgive or restore, but because his fall was so public and so detrimental.

But then, Jim Bakker seems to be serving God quietly these days in. . .is it Palmdale, California?  And not seeking the limelight, which I think is most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that sexual sin is so hard for us to deal with, repent of, forgive for?</p>
<p>Those are not rhetorical questions.</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s because our sex drive (men&#8217;s) is truly the most powerful drive in our being and one we have the least control over.  Our fallen sex drive is like a loaded pistol given to a boy at puberty.  It&#8217;s &#8220;operation&#8221; is so incredibly sensitive, we can mistakenly attach sexual energy and power to absolutely anything just by seeing it &#8216;paired&#8217; with a sexual stimulus.  Think of all the weird fetishes men can have.</p>
<p>Think Pavlov&#8217;s dogs.  The experimenter rang a bell then dropped a pellet.  After a while, if the experimenter just rang the bell the dog drooled even if a pellet wasn&#8217;t dropped.   Salivating  became a conditioned response at the sound of the bell.</p>
<p>How many bells in your life triggers a sexual response in you?</p>
<p>In a survey done by a homosexual magazine, 45% of respondents said they&#8217;d been molested by an older man or boy when they were young.  The boys&#8217; were exposed to the stimulus of a man touching them, a trigger.  Their body responded by releasing lust hormones and &#8211; wham! &#8211; They now have a reason to believe they are homosexual.  If they fight it, valiantly, they may win and never again yield to that trigger.  But if they start giving in, they&#8217;ll start thinking they <b>are</b> homosexual, and not just &#8216;conditioned&#8217; to a homosexual trigger.</p>
<p>I feel for Ted Haggard but doubt he should ever return to the ministry.  Not because God doesn&#8217;t forgive or restore, but because his fall was so public and so detrimental.</p>
<p>But then, Jim Bakker seems to be serving God quietly these days in. . .is it Palmdale, California?  And not seeking the limelight, which I think is most important.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy paravane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy paravane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HATE HATE HATE those Sony digital audio recorders. I bought one and never use it. Too dang complicated. Judge Ted? No thanks. I hate the way those rocks tend to miss my target and circle around just to smack me in the forehead. Of all the Haggards, I dislike Merle the most. My dad use to play his music full blast on a stereo next to my bedroom wall when I was a kid.
 Seriously, I don&#039;t think us non-aliens judge Ted any worse than we judge the rest of you. Is that a good thing? (grin)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HATE HATE HATE those Sony digital audio recorders. I bought one and never use it. Too dang complicated. Judge Ted? No thanks. I hate the way those rocks tend to miss my target and circle around just to smack me in the forehead. Of all the Haggards, I dislike Merle the most. My dad use to play his music full blast on a stereo next to my bedroom wall when I was a kid.<br />
 Seriously, I don&#8217;t think us non-aliens judge Ted any worse than we judge the rest of you. Is that a good thing? (grin)</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy paravane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy paravane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HATE HATE HATE those Sony digital audio recorders. I bought one and never use it. Too dang complicated. Judge Ted? No thanks. I hate the way those rocks tend to miss my target and circle around just to smack me in the forehead. Of all the Haggards, I dislike Merle the most. My dad use to play his music full blast on a stereo next to my bedroom wall when I was a kid.
 Seriously, I don&#039;t think us non-aliens judge Ted any worse than we judge the rest of you. Is that a good thing? (grin)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HATE HATE HATE those Sony digital audio recorders. I bought one and never use it. Too dang complicated. Judge Ted? No thanks. I hate the way those rocks tend to miss my target and circle around just to smack me in the forehead. Of all the Haggards, I dislike Merle the most. My dad use to play his music full blast on a stereo next to my bedroom wall when I was a kid.<br />
 Seriously, I don&#8217;t think us non-aliens judge Ted any worse than we judge the rest of you. Is that a good thing? (grin)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who struggled with many of the same things Ted went through

As someone who was involved with a large church and the shame of being exposed and thrown out

As someone who attended New Life Church during all of this

As someone who took the time to reach out to Ted, someone who spent the time to watch the HBO special, someone who has spent many hours with Ted and his family...

I am glad I am forgiven, I am glad I do not answer to man for my sins and I am glad that there is not a TV camera wired to my heart and broadcasting to the world the sinful thoughts I had just today...I am a sinner.

I am not perfect, I am forgiven.

Ted is not perfect, he is forgiven.

I have been judged by people, I have drug my family through hell and through the incredible grace of God, my family was brought back from the edge of disaster.  Today I use that darkness of my past to help shine the light of Jesus Christ in to the places few want to venture.

There is a war raging on our families, raging on our children, it is called Porn or Sexual Addiction or Homosexuality or what ever lable you want to give it...it is ugly.  We are losing that war and satan is winning!

Who is equiped to lead us out of this?  How is the church doing handling this stuff?  We are so ashamed of this even most our pastors are afraid to talk about it.

Who should fight this war?  Who do we put in charge of a war? People who know the enemy, people who know how the enemy operates, people who have seen the darkness...they are the only ones who know how to beat this.

Who did God choose to lead his people to the promised land? A perfect person or a person with a passion?  He called on Moses, God chose a murderer! Was that poor judgement or did God know the heart of Moses...I know that answer.

So who can judge the heart of Ted Haggard?  Not me and not you. Ted and Gayle are the real deal.  As a couple they have done what few can; in a world which tosses aside marriages like disposable diapers...they stayed the course, they used the Bible.  Gayle honored her marriage, honored her vows, honored her husband, honored her family and I can tell you she honored her God.

I have sat with Gayle and watched her believe in her husband.  I have seen their family interact in person...they forgive him and they believe in him.  If his family believes in him, if they believe he is who he says he is, then who am I to judge?

Pastor Ted, I believe in you...welcome to the war, it is awesome to see what God is doing through you once again.  Shine the light into the darkness.

I will not judge, I will leave that to God.

Thanks for doing this Donny, God bless you brother.

Steve G

&quot;Some want to live within the sound of the church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue shop within a yard of hell.&quot;  CT Studd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who struggled with many of the same things Ted went through</p>
<p>As someone who was involved with a large church and the shame of being exposed and thrown out</p>
<p>As someone who attended New Life Church during all of this</p>
<p>As someone who took the time to reach out to Ted, someone who spent the time to watch the HBO special, someone who has spent many hours with Ted and his family&#8230;</p>
<p>I am glad I am forgiven, I am glad I do not answer to man for my sins and I am glad that there is not a TV camera wired to my heart and broadcasting to the world the sinful thoughts I had just today&#8230;I am a sinner.</p>
<p>I am not perfect, I am forgiven.</p>
<p>Ted is not perfect, he is forgiven.</p>
<p>I have been judged by people, I have drug my family through hell and through the incredible grace of God, my family was brought back from the edge of disaster.  Today I use that darkness of my past to help shine the light of Jesus Christ in to the places few want to venture.</p>
<p>There is a war raging on our families, raging on our children, it is called Porn or Sexual Addiction or Homosexuality or what ever lable you want to give it&#8230;it is ugly.  We are losing that war and satan is winning!</p>
<p>Who is equiped to lead us out of this?  How is the church doing handling this stuff?  We are so ashamed of this even most our pastors are afraid to talk about it.</p>
<p>Who should fight this war?  Who do we put in charge of a war? People who know the enemy, people who know how the enemy operates, people who have seen the darkness&#8230;they are the only ones who know how to beat this.</p>
<p>Who did God choose to lead his people to the promised land? A perfect person or a person with a passion?  He called on Moses, God chose a murderer! Was that poor judgement or did God know the heart of Moses&#8230;I know that answer.</p>
<p>So who can judge the heart of Ted Haggard?  Not me and not you. Ted and Gayle are the real deal.  As a couple they have done what few can; in a world which tosses aside marriages like disposable diapers&#8230;they stayed the course, they used the Bible.  Gayle honored her marriage, honored her vows, honored her husband, honored her family and I can tell you she honored her God.</p>
<p>I have sat with Gayle and watched her believe in her husband.  I have seen their family interact in person&#8230;they forgive him and they believe in him.  If his family believes in him, if they believe he is who he says he is, then who am I to judge?</p>
<p>Pastor Ted, I believe in you&#8230;welcome to the war, it is awesome to see what God is doing through you once again.  Shine the light into the darkness.</p>
<p>I will not judge, I will leave that to God.</p>
<p>Thanks for doing this Donny, God bless you brother.</p>
<p>Steve G</p>
<p>&#8220;Some want to live within the sound of the church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue shop within a yard of hell.&#8221;  CT Studd</p>
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		<title>By: Steve G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who struggled with many of the same things Ted went through

As someone who was involved with a large church and the shame of being exposed and thrown out

As someone who attended New Life Church during all of this

As someone who took the time to reach out to Ted, someone who spent the time to watch the HBO special, someone who has spent many hours with Ted and his family...

I am glad I am forgiven, I am glad I do not answer to man for my sins and I am glad that there is not a TV camera wired to my heart and broadcasting to the world the sinful thoughts I had just today...I am a sinner.

I am not perfect, I am forgiven.

Ted is not perfect, he is forgiven.

I have been judged by people, I have drug my family through hell and through the incredible grace of God, my family was brought back from the edge of disaster.  Today I use that darkness of my past to help shine the light of Jesus Christ in to the places few want to venture.

There is a war raging on our families, raging on our children, it is called Porn or Sexual Addiction or Homosexuality or what ever lable you want to give it...it is ugly.  We are losing that war and satan is winning!

Who is equiped to lead us out of this?  How is the church doing handling this stuff?  We are so ashamed of this even most our pastors are afraid to talk about it.

Who should fight this war?  Who do we put in charge of a war? People who know the enemy, people who know how the enemy operates, people who have seen the darkness...they are the only ones who know how to beat this.

Who did God choose to lead his people to the promised land? A perfect person or a person with a passion?  He called on Moses, God chose a murderer! Was that poor judgement or did God know the heart of Moses...I know that answer.

So who can judge the heart of Ted Haggard?  Not me and not you. Ted and Gayle are the real deal.  As a couple they have done what few can; in a world which tosses aside marriages like disposable diapers...they stayed the course, they used the Bible.  Gayle honored her marriage, honored her vows, honored her husband, honored her family and I can tell you she honored her God.

I have sat with Gayle and watched her believe in her husband.  I have seen their family interact in person...they forgive him and they believe in him.  If his family believes in him, if they believe he is who he says he is, then who am I to judge?

Pastor Ted, I believe in you...welcome to the war, it is awesome to see what God is doing through you once again.  Shine the light into the darkness.

I will not judge, I will leave that to God.

Thanks for doing this Donny, God bless you brother.

Steve G

&quot;Some want to live within the sound of the church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue shop within a yard of hell.&quot;  CT Studd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who struggled with many of the same things Ted went through</p>
<p>As someone who was involved with a large church and the shame of being exposed and thrown out</p>
<p>As someone who attended New Life Church during all of this</p>
<p>As someone who took the time to reach out to Ted, someone who spent the time to watch the HBO special, someone who has spent many hours with Ted and his family&#8230;</p>
<p>I am glad I am forgiven, I am glad I do not answer to man for my sins and I am glad that there is not a TV camera wired to my heart and broadcasting to the world the sinful thoughts I had just today&#8230;I am a sinner.</p>
<p>I am not perfect, I am forgiven.</p>
<p>Ted is not perfect, he is forgiven.</p>
<p>I have been judged by people, I have drug my family through hell and through the incredible grace of God, my family was brought back from the edge of disaster.  Today I use that darkness of my past to help shine the light of Jesus Christ in to the places few want to venture.</p>
<p>There is a war raging on our families, raging on our children, it is called Porn or Sexual Addiction or Homosexuality or what ever lable you want to give it&#8230;it is ugly.  We are losing that war and satan is winning!</p>
<p>Who is equiped to lead us out of this?  How is the church doing handling this stuff?  We are so ashamed of this even most our pastors are afraid to talk about it.</p>
<p>Who should fight this war?  Who do we put in charge of a war? People who know the enemy, people who know how the enemy operates, people who have seen the darkness&#8230;they are the only ones who know how to beat this.</p>
<p>Who did God choose to lead his people to the promised land? A perfect person or a person with a passion?  He called on Moses, God chose a murderer! Was that poor judgement or did God know the heart of Moses&#8230;I know that answer.</p>
<p>So who can judge the heart of Ted Haggard?  Not me and not you. Ted and Gayle are the real deal.  As a couple they have done what few can; in a world which tosses aside marriages like disposable diapers&#8230;they stayed the course, they used the Bible.  Gayle honored her marriage, honored her vows, honored her husband, honored her family and I can tell you she honored her God.</p>
<p>I have sat with Gayle and watched her believe in her husband.  I have seen their family interact in person&#8230;they forgive him and they believe in him.  If his family believes in him, if they believe he is who he says he is, then who am I to judge?</p>
<p>Pastor Ted, I believe in you&#8230;welcome to the war, it is awesome to see what God is doing through you once again.  Shine the light into the darkness.</p>
<p>I will not judge, I will leave that to God.</p>
<p>Thanks for doing this Donny, God bless you brother.</p>
<p>Steve G</p>
<p>&#8220;Some want to live within the sound of the church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue shop within a yard of hell.&#8221;  CT Studd</p>
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		<title>By: Donny Pauling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny Pauling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really looking forward to reading more about your conversations with Ted.  I hope everyone can find the grace for him that he deserves.  God&#039;s grace is never ending...no matter how much we screw up.  Regardless of the mistakes Ted Haggard has made, he still deserves our grace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really looking forward to reading more about your conversations with Ted.  I hope everyone can find the grace for him that he deserves.  God&#8217;s grace is never ending&#8230;no matter how much we screw up.  Regardless of the mistakes Ted Haggard has made, he still deserves our grace!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really looking forward to reading more about your conversations with Ted.  I hope everyone can find the grace for him that he deserves.  God&#039;s grace is never ending...no matter how much we screw up.  Regardless of the mistakes Ted Haggard has made, he still deserves our grace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really looking forward to reading more about your conversations with Ted.  I hope everyone can find the grace for him that he deserves.  God&#8217;s grace is never ending&#8230;no matter how much we screw up.  Regardless of the mistakes Ted Haggard has made, he still deserves our grace!</p>
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